24 Hour Premises License Sought for 237 Caledonian Road

237_caledonian_road_2The Bulletin Board as just been alerted to a new Licensing Application by Sara M from Richomod Avenue.  The site of the application is 237 Caledonian Road and it is at the intersection of Stanmore Road, Caledonian Road and Richmond Avenue.

According to the paperwork submitted they are requesting a Premises License that will permit:

  1. the exhibition of films, performance of plays, playing of live music, recorded music, performance of dance, and facilities for making music and dancing, between 00:00 and 24:00 on Mondays to Sundays;
  2. the supply of late night refreshment (hot food and drinks) between 23:00 and 05:00 on Mondays to Sundays;
  3. the sale of alcohol between 00:00 and 24:00; on Mondays to Sundays

The offical announcment of this application from the Council can be downloaded  – Download residents_letter.doc.

If you wish to comment/object to this application you must do so by 5 May.  Please read the letter from the Council to better understand the range of comments you are entiltle to make.  Your comments can be made via email and be sent to: Simon Gallacher, Licensing Officer simon.gallacher@islington.gov.uk.

Please note that it is the number of individual letters received that will most impact the granting, refusal or modification of this application.

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9 Responses to 24 Hour Premises License Sought for 237 Caledonian Road

  1. Paul Convery says:

    I’ve just reviewed the application and met with some of the residents nearby. I have opposed this application and will attend the licensing committee and seek to pursuade the members to refuse this.

    In general terms I think it’s important that the “evening economy” character of Kings Cross is carefully managed and is kept within the tighter area around Pentonville Road and the southern tip of Caledonian Road. This area itself has a growing residential base so it should not be a free for all of 24 hour drinking and entertainment but, if there is to be a concentration of eating. drinking and enjoyment, it should be contained close to the transport hub and main roads. What I particularly want to avoid is the slow northwards creep of these kinds of establishments and the proposal for 237 Caledonian Road is exactly the kind of bar we need to avoid further up Cally Road. Although many businesses further north on Caledonian Road have faced economic difficulty, one of the pressures on them is rising rentals that are beginning to force some shops, pubs and restaurants to cease trading. I think it’s wrong to see the “24 hour economy” as an antidote to these sorts of difficulties.

    This site is especially sensitive. It is on the corner of Stanmore Street and Caledonian Road and is therefore very close to a dense residential area – across the road on Richmond Avenue and the houses on Stanmore Street right behind the venue. In particular the premises at 237 Caledonian Road backs-on to the sheltered housing run by Shaftesbury Housing Association which is home to older residents and it would be quite wrong to permit a potentially noisy and disruptive 24 hour licensed bar so close to these more vulnerable residents.

    Late night drinking is reasonably well controlled on Caledonian Road although there are some unfortunate exceptions. Granting a 24 hour licence to this establishment would be a serious error. Caledonian Road is already a busy thoroughfare for revellers returning home from drinking elsewhere and there are instances where late drinking on Caledonian Road also causes nuisance.

  2. Rupert Perry says:

    I was surprised by the proposals for 237 Caledonian Rd as I do not think the premises have planning permission for the uses described in the License application. I have asked the Planners to investigate whether a planning application has been submitted and report back. I would have thought that a planning application should be considered first, by the West Area Planning Committee to determine whether or not a change of use is acceptable.

    Several changes of use to bar/club uses have been refused in the past couple of years for premises in the Cally Rd north of Copenhagen St.

    I have therefore asked officers that prior to going to Licensing Committee, the matter is considered by the West Area Planning Committee. I will post another comment when I have more information

  3. Stephan Schulte says:

    To keep everyone informed, here is the response from the Licensing Department to Clr Perry’s inquiry:

    Dear Councillor Perry

    Thank you for your email. We have consulted with the planning department and it appears that the premises may not have the requisite planning consent for the proposed operation. The planning case office, Edward Hands, is currently investigating the matter further to see whether any planning application is needed.

    In terms of precedence, there is none. The Licensing Act 2003 and Secretary of States guidance to local authorities makes it very clear that licensing and planning matters must be dealt with separately under the respective legislation. Consequently, there is nothing per se to prevent an operator, who does not have the appropriate planning consent, from applying for a licence. Not having planning permission is not grounds in itself to refuse a licence. Any objection to a licence application must be based solely on the licensing objectives:

    · The prevention of crime and disorder
    · The prevention of public nuisance
    · Public safety
    · The protection of children from harm

    The Council’s licensing policy does state that applicants for a licence will be encouraged to seek the appropriate planning consent. Accordingly, should it be confirmed that a planning application is necessary, we will advise the applicants accordingly – this is as far as we can go in this regard.

    To reiterate, if a licence is granted it is without prejudice to any planning consent. Therefore if a premises has a licence but no planning consent, then it is a planning enforcement matter. And conversely if planning consent is in place, without an appropriate licence, then this is a licensing enforcement matter.

    I hope this helps clarify the position but let me know if you need any further information. As a reminder, we need to receive any representations by 5 May 2008.

    With regards

    Simon Gallacher
    Licensing Officer
    Licensing Team
    Public Protection Division
    Environment and Regeneration
    Islington Council
    3rd Floor, 222 Upper Street, London N1 1XR
    Tel: (020) 7527 3879
    Alternative contact: Terrie Lane (020) 7527 3233

  4. Diana Shelley says:

    An additional issue on this 24 hour licence application is whether it is in fact for a lap-dancing joint. These are now granted under the 2003 Act as this part of the sex industry is apparently ‘entertainment’. So aside from the noise and nuisance of 24 hour alcohol in a residential area, and the risk to children and young people, if this licence is granted it seems possible that women in the area may look forward to increased sexual harassment. Too late for the objection I put in yesterday, I read about the survey done by the Lilith Project which found that reported rape had risen by 50%and sexual assault by 57% after four lap-dancing clubs opened in Camden (tho of course it could all just be coincidence…) You can find their reports, plus a ‘How to’ Guide on objecting to lap-dancing licensing applications at http://www.eaves4women.co.uk/Lilith_Project/Documents
    Hard to work out what the sex industry or round the clock boozing has to do with all that regeneration we’ve been promised.
    So get those letters of objection in, neighbours.

  5. Bill says:

    I get really annoyed when people keep quoting nonsense regarding rapes and lap dance clubs in Camden as produced by Lilith. Here are the actual numbers,

    Clubs open

    1999 46 2
    2000 83 4
    2001 79 5
    2002 69 6
    2003 47 6
    2004 51 5
    2005 72 5
    2006 70 5
    2007 42 5

    I have no idea if this is to be a lap dance club but if you are quoting ” facts” try to get them right.

  6. scott says:

    sorry but isnt this type of establishment part of a typical exciting, busy, cultured, vibrant city???
    stop being nimbys for god sake or move to the lake district. have people got nothing better to do than get their nickers in a twist over a little place opening up. anybody would think the strip at vegas was being built on their doorsteps.

  7. Andrew says:

    I agree that this type of establishment is part of living in a large democratic liberal western city (not sure that there is a relationship between cultured cities and late night drinking licences, I can think of many cities which are cultured where drinking is outlawed). I also agree that if someone wants peace and quite perhaps London isn’t the best location for them to live.

    However another aspect of living in this type of city is that there is an application process that needs to be followed, which allows for residents to respond.

    I live on a busy street and have been woken by drunk people throwing around shopping carts and the like damaging property. I am not surprised that this is happening in a big city, but I don’t like it. If a bar licence was applied for a property I lived next too I would oppose it as I believe the rate of incident of this type would increase.

  8. Paul Convery says:

    I am not sure that Scott knows the location of this proposed club. It is right adjacent to a number of family homes. The backyard of the club (which the potential operators admit is where people will go outside for a smoke) is immediately underneath bedroom windows. A few further yards away is a group of sheltered homes for elderly people. Now I think there is absolutely every reason to encourage an “exciting, busy, cultured vibrant city” but it has to be carefully planned so that one person’s enjoyment is not another’s nuisance. At this location, there is a high risk of that happening.

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